thanks Rich......I've never seen that site.
do they sell Pretty Woman?
do they sell Pretty Woman?
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Posts: 1233 (06/01/2009 14:48:34) JUST BELOW GOD (apparently) |
David A. Lieberman
CineMasterpieces.com Visit Our Ebay Store! * Movie Posters * Star Wars Posters James Bond Posters * Our Ebay Auctions |
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Posts: 559 (06/01/2009 14:55:41) |
What is interesting is that you present no defense to this greedy, shady practice. you call people clowns but do not explain -- and the argument of "I can
charge whatever i please" doesnt fly because you claim to be a reputable and honest "dealer" who, while making a margin of profit, should not be
hoping to take someone's shirt, in the process. there are plenty of those out there without people having to worry that a "reputable dealer" is
doing the same.
And as far as the selling of bootlegs and whether it's no one else's business, you couldn't be more wrong--- ..there was a recent post by dario on another forum, where new collectors had what they thought were real STAR WARS posters and wanted them backed, only to learn they were FAKES! you help to promote this problem and feel it is OK. here's dario's note: Yes, and the few young bloods in Vancouver have been deeply discouraged from collecting after bringing fake Star wars and other posters over for linen backing, only to be told that they bought crap. How can we change this? Best. dario. ps dario-- i referenced your post, because if this isnt spot on with regard as to what can be a contributing factor in why others may become discouraged to collect, then i dont know what is. it also comments on others who get burned from buying bootlegs. i hope you dont mind. |
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Posts: 560 (06/01/2009 14:58:49) |
comicart wrote: Just because there are others out there who do the same doesn't justify the behavior or the practice. |
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Posts: 3301 (06/01/2009 14:59:33) |
can someone on this list please post a link to the "Authentic Movie Poster Prices Guide" so I can see what people should really be charging for
posters..??
I know comic books have a prixce guide that all dealers follow.. can anyone tell me where I can find the price guide that all movie poster dealers are supposed to follow I want to make sure I'm not selling my posters for too much or too little |
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Posts: 1702 (06/01/2009 15:05:43) |
cinemasterpieces wrote:No matter how you try to justify, it is still stealing... flat out, no if's, and's or but's.... There is no other way to look at it. Dan had set out criteria for the dealer links, that you did not meet (something like needing 10 years of experience), and you got pissy. That's the real story and we all know it. Isn't that the reason that you didn't make your free Stars Wars bootleg offer here on NSFGE, because those of us that have been around since your newbie MPT days can see through your bs, clown? I used to defend you in a number of these attacks, but this case is clear cut. It is still relevant because it goes to character and trust, two things that you've built your 'premium' service on and it casts a cloud on all of your other endeavors, Mr. But-but-but-it-could-be-an-international-wilding-poster... Nobody wants to buy you drugs here, Louis...
I do, I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and
was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any
such slander at any time in the future.
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Posts: 1234 (06/01/2009 15:16:28) JUST BELOW GOD (apparently) |
hey bozo.
this has been rehashed over and over again on these boards........but since you are still a relative newbie and probably missed it....I'll kindly explain it again. there is no need to defend anything. Its not greedy, its not shady. period. If someone want to buy posters for less someplace else....no one is stopping them. Am I the only one selling posters on the internet? and as for darios clients who were burned.......they didn't get them from me!!! I am not "helping to promote the problem" as you said. Someone would have to be a complete and total idiot to confuse a clearly marked bootleg (that I sold correctly described as a bootleg) for an original. and.....over 130 collectors new and old....(mostly from mpf) who got a free one from me have no problem with it either. So give it a rest already.
David A. Lieberman
CineMasterpieces.com Visit Our Ebay Store! * Movie Posters * Star Wars Posters James Bond Posters * Our Ebay Auctions |
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Posts: 25 (06/01/2009 15:23:17) |
If its not greedy and not shady. What is it? Please explain
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Posts: 1703 (06/01/2009 15:23:41) |
Two other things...
1. Dave can charge whatever he wants, they are his posters. My personal opinion is that it isn't in his best interest long-term to fleece* newbies, but it's his business not mine. 2. Serious congratulations on the book Dan. Though, I am hoping that it delves more into the printing process and industry than just covering the Spiderman posters, as good a case study as they may be. * Some say 'fleece', others say 'anally rape without the benefit of a reach-around'.... fleece sounds nicer...
I do, I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and
was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any
such slander at any time in the future.
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Posts: 3302 (06/01/2009 15:28:43) |
Sunset Boulevard wrote:when was the last time anyone here went shopping on Rodeo Drive?? |
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Posts: 1235 (06/01/2009 15:29:19) JUST BELOW GOD (apparently) |
I can't believe we are still discussing this 5 years later.....and look....I have no problem with Dan....it was quite some time ago.
"No matter how you try to justify, it is still stealing... flat out, no if's, and's or but's.... There is no other way to look at it." Yes there is.....my way. Its not stealing. The info. was used with permission and later enhanced by me and several other contributors. It can't just be removed. End of story. "Dan had set out criteria for the dealer links, that you did not meet (something like needing 10 years of experience), and you got pissy. That's the real story and we all know it." Sort of....but not really. Bottom line......if I'm good enough to link from....I should be good enough to link to. He thought I was good enough to link from. "Isn't that the reason that you didn't make your free Stars Wars bootleg offer here on NSFGE, because those of us that have been around since your newbie MPT days can see through your bs, clown?" No....because if I posted it here it probably would have been moved to the for sale section. "Nobody wants to buy you drugs here, Louis.." thats funny! one of my favorite flicks.
David A. Lieberman
CineMasterpieces.com Visit Our Ebay Store! * Movie Posters * Star Wars Posters James Bond Posters * Our Ebay Auctions |
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Posts: 1416 (06/01/2009 15:31:26) |
For a hobby that has so little specific permanent information in printed form, something like Dan's book is welcome indeed.
Websites come and go, and the data can and is sometimes manipulated and changed to suit the occasion, but a book is a book. Kisch's hard copy editions of his annual prices realised/advertised et al can still be extremely useful, just as Jon Warren's books are. but just like old MCW and Big Reels becomes increasingly outdated and an indicator of fading values of some stars and titles. Something like a specific book on the SPIDERMAN posters authentication comes under another heading altogether. Phil |
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Posts: 561 (06/01/2009 15:33:03) |
once again....your explanation falls flat. markings or stamps can be removed, covered over, airbrushed etc, as we all know. no one said the vancouver buyers
bought from you.. but in your haste to defend this practice, you must have read it that way.. please read it again.
one cannot be reputable and honest and try and take someone to the cleaners, at every chance they get... the 2 do not go hand in hand-- period. in this regard, dave, -- what are your thoughts about dealers who have been known to shill bid on items from their own auctions, in order to drive up the prices, artificially? |
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Posts: 1704 (06/01/2009 15:44:11) |
cinemasterpieces wrote:Yes, but credit should still be given where it is due. "Dan had set out criteria for the dealer links, that you did not meet (something like needing 10 years of experience), and you got pissy. That's the real story and we all know it."Yes, you got pissy. "Isn't that the reason that you didn't make your free Stars Wars bootleg offer here on NSFGE, because those of us that have been around since your newbie MPT days can see through your bs, clown?"Highly unlikely, although Crowzilla would have found a way to whine, albeit creatively, about some other dealer getting press in the main forum... "Nobody wants to buy you drugs here, Louis.."One of mine too...
I do, I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and
was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any
such slander at any time in the future.
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Posts: 2242 (06/01/2009 15:46:35) Restoration Expert |
Hi Jeff,
No problem. I read complaints and jokes on MOPO, how everyone getting old and crusty at Cinevent, dealers and customers/collectors. It is hard to expand the hobby with so much crap for sale and young collectors getting ripped off pissed off and walk away. I agree with Phil, a book is a book is a book, But I'd like to take it even further and say. Dan has been as this for years and years. This is something he is very passionate about. Dan is creating a legacy, one day he will be long gone, but his name and books will always be there for future collectors to enjoy. That is remarkable. I hope my work will stand the test of time and I'll leave some work for future generations to enjoy as well. Cheers, dario. |
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Posts: 1237 (06/01/2009 15:49:10) JUST BELOW GOD (apparently) |
erik1925 jeff potokar......the explanation is only flat to your deaf ears.....it seems that you only hear what you want to hear, and no one is going to change
your mind. So lets just agree to disagree. That fact is, very few people see it your way.....but I'll stop trying to convince you you are wrong.
if I was really such a bad guy.....then why would your idol Bruce H consider me one of the good guys? if charging high prices is so wrong......then believe me..... I'm in good company. I could rattle off half a dozen movie poster dealers....all reputable.....with prices similar to mine......who never even come to these silly message boards because they don't need the aggravation from pinheads like you. "what are your thoughts about dealers who have been known to shill bid on items from their own auctions, in order to drive up the prices, artificially?" uh....its wrong.
David A. Lieberman
CineMasterpieces.com Visit Our Ebay Store! * Movie Posters * Star Wars Posters James Bond Posters * Our Ebay Auctions |
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Posts: 563 (06/01/2009 15:50:44) |
cinemasterpieces wrote:Fascinating... truly fascinating. |
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Posts: 564 (06/01/2009 15:52:01) |
And the name calling usually happens, as a last resort, when there is no real defense, and one feels cornered.
I commend you. ps.. who even mentioned Bruce?? not I. |
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Posts: 3303 (06/01/2009 15:55:31) |
Jeff.. a personal note: didn't you say "internet chat is supposed to be fun" not so long ago???
now back to my questions:: can someone on this list please post a link to the "Authentic Movie Poster Prices Guide" so I can see what people should really be charging for posters..?? I know comic books have a prixce guide that all dealers follow.. can anyone tell me where I can find the price guide that all movie poster dealers are supposed to follow I want to make sure I'm not selling my posters for too much or too little |
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Posts: 565 (06/01/2009 15:57:39) |
comicart wrote:it is fun, rich. I always enjoy and have fun with stimulating and informative conversation; sharing opinions, thoughts and views. 
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Posts: 3304 (06/01/2009 16:01:23) |
well if you're trying to help inform...
can you please post a link to the "Authentic Movie Poster Prices Guide" so I can see what people should really be charging for posters..?? I know comic books have a price guide that all dealers follow.. can anyone tell me where I can find the price guide that all movie poster dealers are supposed to follow I want to make sure I'm not selling my posters for too much or too little |
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